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GuzziTech Power Commander V Information

Postby GT-Rx » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:28 am

GuzziTech thanks Dynojet (and all of those who purchased the custom run) to bring the Power Commander V to fruition. The posts below chronicle the journey that was taken for nearly 2 years. - Todd (Technical Advisor to Dynojet for all things Guzzi, and a Certified Power Commander & Tuning Link Tech)

GT makes this technology available to fit ALL '00~current Guzzi. On newer Guzzi with 02-sensors, the base PC-V includes an 02-optimizer that handles all fueling below 40% throttle at all RPMs. The GT-Rx ECU Performance re-flash is required to give full fueling access to the PC-V. Adding an AutoTune unit without a GT-Rx ECU will require an additional 02-sensor bung, and per above, will not allow fueling below 40% throttle without. The GT-Rx ECU also provides many improvements for performance, pre-detonation and will also work very well stand-alone.
For those with a 15M/RC ECU Guzzi (Most Cali/Cal Vintage, V11 Sports, Breva 750 & new V7C) , please see this thread HERE for info.

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1. PC-V w/02-controller $399.95: Power Commander V(5) - comes with 02-optimizer for fueling below 40% throttle -- the optimizer intercepts the stock 02-sensor/lambda wiring harness for dynamic fueling revisions below 40% throttle. 40% and above is handled statically by the PC-V. In development for the new dual sensor/lambda big blocks.
This does not address timing related issues such as pre-detonation (pinging), pop-on-decel or other performance timing ECU tweaks.
2. AutoTune AT-200 or AT-300* $279.95/$399.95: Piggbyback module to PC-V (only) above that provides real-time fueling changes, on-the-fly, as you ride... using a user-set Air Fuel Ratio (AFR). The AutoTune unit plugs into the PC-V module (ONLY) and allows you to pick/change your AFR, and your bike will auto-adjust, real-time, as you ride. Allows you to build/store a map for *your* bike by a simple click of the software, and store it on the PC-V... which then AutoTune will then use as a baseline to correct.
3. GT-Rx ECU $500: Static revisions, which include stock 02-sensor input delete, revised fueling and timing (for performance, cold start and pre-detonation) for any modifications you have done to your bike. If you change any bolt-on modifications, it would require another re-flash unless using above. This (ECU) mod can run stand-alone for drastically better running over stock. Not perfect, but very good. Requires TPS reset by VDST or your local dealer immediately upon re-installation of the ECU. This provides full fueling access to the PC-V/AT (above).
4. GT-Rx ECU/PC-V/AT $1109.90: Fully dynamic fueling revision for each second the engine is running, from idle to redline, with the power of the (supplied wide-band Bosch 02-sensor w/)AutoTune module coupled with the PC-V (mandatory). User adjustable fueling, and no need to visit the dyno for custom mapping. Any new modifications to the bike can be automatically corrected by AutoTune with a few keystrokes (OK, and often a little input from me.).

*NOTE: If you do not go with the ECU reflash and you purchase the AutoTune module, you will need to weld in an additional 02-sensor bung(s) in the exhaust for the AutoTune wide-band sensor(s). It is supplied with the AT unit. AT-200 is a single sensor/AT-300 is a dual sensor unit, one for each cylinder.

Comment/questions to; Todd at GuzziTech.com

For purchase information, please click ->HERE<-.

Instead of talking about POWER numbers, posted below are the Air/Fuel ratio graphs of % throttling.

The flatter the line, the more crisp the throttle response.

The 20% graph below is as delivered, OEM fueling. Red trace is as delivered, blue lines in the bottom two graphs (40% & 100% throttle) are from a PC corrected fueling on a Norge 1200.

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Re:PC-V Pre-order *ONLY* - Limited Run NOW.

Postby Mike.C » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:46 am

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Re:PC-V Pre-order *ONLY* - Limited Run NOW.

Postby klaas123 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:01 am

I'm in for the PC-V & GT-Rx ECU package, below 40% throttle is what bothers me most.
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Re:PC-V Pre-order *ONLY* - Limited Run NOW.

Postby pete roper » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:30 am

As you know I'm in Todd.
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Re:PC-V Pre-order *ONLY* - Limited Run NOW.

Postby double.d » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:07 am

So, correct me if i'm wrong please.
1. To get the Griso running at optimum fueling of 13.2 - 13.6 as per the last 2 graphs i am going to have to buy both the PCV and the ECU unit ?

2. The ECU is a set non adjustable unit with the 13.2 - 13.6 set for below 40% throttle.

3. The PCV is used to set the desired fueling 13.2 - 13.6 above 40% throttle and would enable me to build a power map and cruise map, so to speak ?

4. Will this stuff be redundant when Dynojet release it's 02 controler.

5. Are these mod/s performance enhancing ( more grunt, more go), or are they just to stop pinging and deceleration popping and general rough running ?

I am after more grunt and go. I am happy with the way my Griso runs so i don't want to spend $1000 bucks on improved running.
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Re:PC-V Pre-order *ONLY* - Limited Run NOW.

Postby GT-Rx » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:38 am

double.d wrote:
So, correct me if i'm wrong please.
1. To get the Griso running at optimum fueling of 13.2 - 13.6 as per the last 2 graphs i am going to have to buy both the PCV and the ECU unit ?
2. The ECU is a set non adjustable unit with the 13.2 - 13.6 set for below 40% throttle.
3. The PCV is used to set the desired fueling 13.2 - 13.6 above 40% throttle and would enable me to build a power map and cruise ap, so to speak ?
4. Will this stuff be redundant when Dynojet release it's 02-controller.
5. Are these mod/s performance enhancing ( more grunt, more go), or are they just to stop pinging and deceleration popping and general rough running ?
I am after more grunt and go. I am happy with the way my Griso runs so i don't want to spend $1000 bucks on improved running.

1. For fueling adjustments below 40% throttle, yes you will.
2. Incorrect.
3. Correct... though you will need a toggle switch to do so, and without the AutoTune module, you would want to build these maps on a dyno or data-logging wideband A/F gauge that records throttle position and RPM.
4. DJ's 02-controller will eliminate the need for the ECU swap, however I will be revising the timing and a few other parameters (altitude compensation and warm up) on the OEM ECU. The PC-V will only allow revisions from 40% throttle and up with the DJ 02-controller. Edit: Also, it is hard to say when a 02-controller might be released. It might be another year.
5. Performance... the PC is not a "more power" device. It is a air/fuel correction device. I suggest you read THIS. You will need to modify the intake/exhaust (or more, i.e. porting/flow work) to gain performance, but you will need a PC-V (or eq.) to correct the fueling. I can tell you that richening the mixture increases power on average of 7% (or more) on a stock machine. Have you ever ridden a custom mapped PCIII Guzzi? If not, I highly advise finding one to ride... and then ask your closing statement again.
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Re:PC-V Pre-order *ONLY* - Limited Run NOW.

Postby NeroGuzzi » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:25 am

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Re:PC-V Pre-order *ONLY* - Limited Run NOW

Postby guzzi jon » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:02 am

As for hp gains, my fine running 02 Lemans with x-over and mistrals went from 77 bhp to 85 bhp at the rear wheel, and got better mileage. but more important, it ran super sweet, actually perfect.... best running guzzi I ever rode.... a PC properly mapped guzzi is like a new machine, ride one, you'll get the bits...
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Re:PC-V Pre-order *ONLY* - Limited Run NOW

Postby robertmtz » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:26 am

Todd -
I am in as well!
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Re:PC-V Pre-order *ONLY* - Limited Run NOW

Postby klaas123 » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:33 am

RacerX wrote:
You can buy the PC-V & AutoTune now for use above 40% throttling. Below 40% will require a GT-Rx ECU swap until Dynojet completes their 02-controller development at a later date.


I don't see that happening anytime soon (if ever) without chainging the ECU because when you richen up the closed loop portion by reducing the O2 sensor output the service light comes on.
That's my experience with the Fat Duc anyway, you can't fool the ECU so it seems.
So I'm going the GT-Rx ECU swap route now.
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